Bhagwad Gita says… Whatever happens, happens for good..and with the wishes of the almighty……
DVORAHJI:
That’s true, but you’ve got that little “good” twist in it. However, remember that “good” is a concept we’ve made up. Actually, it happens the way it NEEDS to happen., AND that isn’t always good from our point of view.
From my perspective, (contrary to all the New Age positive BS hype) – the Universe is not benevolent, wanting to do the “good deeds” of the allmighty. IT JUST IS! And does what IT does.
That’s CONCEPT is a hard one to swallow, but think about it: And you’ll see the alternative is even worse! Because if you have a benevolent/good God, then you also have a treacherous/bad God. Frankly, WHO needs either.
FORTUNATELY, the GOOD NEWS IS – you’ve got NEITHER, so you can relax. IT IS AS IT IS. So recognize that you’ve done the best you can, even tho it hasn’t always gone to your advantage. The vastness of space/that infinite peace of full relaxation without opposites is YOUR NATURE. You can Relax & play free….
When something “dies” it’s immediately……not hard….instantaneously….thoughts just like coming back and having fun with you….it’s not the thoughts/habits that bother people…it’s “thinking” about them & thinking: ” OH, I DID SOMETHING WRONG OR OHHH I DID IT AGAIN OR OHHH, WHATS WRONG WITH ME, WHY CAN’T I CHANGE THIS?”
IT’S all this chatter that you think is rea/permanent/has validity that drives people crazy. If you can then say: Hey, there is that stupid angry thought again (after you yell your brains out!) “What the hell was that?”………………and then apologize and try not to do it again and SO What? Move on……Do you program. try not to do it again and if you do, apologize again. and MOVE ALONG…These thoughts are like running water or galloping horsed – either way THEY ARE MOVING THROUGH (maybe several times) BUT THEY ARE MOVING THROUGH
I remember when a friend tried to teach me there was no good or bad just experiences. I lost my mind. But in time I saw that even the worst has a silver lining. Has a lesson. Happens for a reason. Because it was meant to and I had something to do with it, ALL to do with it. Then i finially was able to quite blaming others and just Observe, experience and learn. JGD YOU keep me in rememberance of these thing Dvorhji. THANKS YOU for BEING YOU
I know that life can be amazingly hearbreaking..but for some reason as your heart is breaking, there’s THIS SPACE/LOVE that can permeate the deepest pain & bypass your story-OPENING you up to the full embrace of YOUR NATURE and carry you into the VASTENESS of THIS..
Darling…love is OUR NATURE…it’s what we are made of.
Many think we’re made of our thoughts, our feelings our, misery, our STORY…..but that’s the play, a play of opposites and we are made of that electricity, that beauty, that infinite exquisite energy and bliss called LOVE (for a better name).
Our life is short, and often appears to be meaningless, because by the time we finally begin to have some wisdom, some understanding – we’re getting old, sick & moving south. So from my perspective, the secret of life is LIVING AND MOVING ON AND ON AND ON AND ON….
My heart and love overflows on everything I see, I can’t help it…..even when I’m playing or making jokes or being a complete idiot, my love is permeating everything I see. I can’t help but adore everyone I’m with at any moment and that includes the orange I just picked off the tree. I am deeply in love with this essense called Love. And that’s why I can spend so much time alone IN LOVE.
When I was younger, I used to have this vision of myself as this great Being, and when I’d make love, I’d want to take whomever I was with and move them through me, so they could become WHOLE, COMPLETE, HAPPY . Most men/people seemed to be broken in one way or another and I longed to bring everything and everyone HOME to themselves, to their happiness, to their peace/their center.
The scorpio in me that got a “hit” from you when I first met you, (and believe me when I tell you, I knew you were there before I even saw you) reminded me of the beauty of the personal, the two moving in the infinite and it was very sweet for me.
I forget the personal, because of my infinite nature. But I am intimate and natural with everything I see, and my intention is open & bold & full of energy & directness. If I could, I would speak intimately with everyone, as if ALL were my lover, but it’s a bit too much for most people, so I hold my distance and just love and adore them as my very own sister, brother, friend.
It’s impossible to have a superficial relationship with me, because I’m just not built that way. That scorpio secrecy has manifested into the depth of silence; and that part in me that talks and jokes and plays and plays is the child drawing you to YOUR OWN boundless innocence, openess and fun.
Wanna play with me? Then come open, no secrets, and let your problems or worries return to the ether where they came.
THIS IS IT.People (even spiritual or religious people) tend to “believe” that peace/ love/ happiness is in the future: when they find themselves, get enlightened or get their first million, or find a soulmate, or get thin, or get a sailboat or a vacation or whatever. BUT from my perspective. THIS IS IT. HAPPINESS/PEACE IS HERE, this moment, sitting at my computer or making love, it’s here. Now.
I’m happy for you honey. You have a purpose and you’re happy & gorgeous (and that’s a bonus for sure!!!!!) and thank you for reminding me of that intimacy that is possible and makes people so happy and miserable at the same time…
Darling…love is OUR NATURE…it’s what we are made of.
Many think we’re made of our thoughts, our feelings our, misery, our STORY…..but that’s the play, a play of opposites and we are made of that electricity, that beauty, that infinite exquisite energy and bliss called LOVE (for a better name).
Our life is short, and often appears to be meaningless, because by the time we finally begin to have some wisdom, some understanding – we’re getting old, sick & moving south. So from my perspective, the secret of life is LIVING AND MOVING ON AND ON AND ON AND ON….
My heart and love overflows on everything I see, I can’t help it…..even when I’m playing or making jokes or being a complete idiot, my love is permeating everything I see. I can’t help but adore everyone I’m with at any moment and that includes the orange I just picked off the tree. I am deeply in love with this essense called Love. And that’s why I can spend so much time alone IN LOVE.
When I was younger, I used to have this vision of myself as this great Being, and when I’d make love, I’d want to take whomever I was with and move them through me, so they could become WHOLE, COMPLETE, HAPPY . Most men/people seemed to be broken in one way or another and I longed to bring everything and everyone HOME to themselves, to their happiness, to their peace/their center.
The scorpio in me that got a “hit” from you when I first met you, (and believe me when I tell you, I knew you were there before I even saw you) reminded me of the beauty of the personal, the two moving in the infinite and it was very sweet for me.
I forget the personal, because of my infinite nature. But I am intimate and natural with everything I see, and my intention is open & bold & full of energy & directness. If I could, I would speak intimately with everyone, as if ALL were my lover, but it’s a bit too much for most people, so I hold my distance and just love and adore them as my very own sister, brother, friend.
It’s impossible to have a superficial relationship with me, because I’m just not built that way. That scorpio secrecy has manifested into the depth of silence; and that part in me that talks and jokes and plays and plays is the child drawing you to YOUR OWN boundless innocence, openess and fun.
Wanna play with me? Then come open, no secrets, and let your problems or worries return to the ether where they came.
THIS IS IT.People (even spiritual or religious people) tend to “believe” that peace/ love/ happiness is in the future: when they find themselves, get enlightened or get their first million, or find a soulmate, or get thin, or get a sailboat or a vacation or whatever. BUT from my perspective. THIS IS IT. HAPPINESS/PEACE IS HERE, this moment, sitting at my computer or making love, it’s here. Now.
I’m happy for you honey. You have a purpose and you’re happy & gorgeous (and that’s a bonus for sure!!!!!) and thank you for reminding me of that intimacy that is possible and makes people so happy and miserable at the same time…
Darling, don’t you know? You have NO choice but to become yourself, absolutely no choice! And your presence is also infectious…Look at you!! Go look in the mirror and keep staring at your self until you melt into the vast exquisite ocean of YOURSELF. You are You always! Who else could you possibly be?
If I could teach you to stare into my eyes as you melt into yourself, without even touching me…..then baby you are always HOME. Love curves onto itself, blows your circuits and passes through the universe…it’s sumptuously always YOU playing YOU.
Let your floodgates of love open in me…
so they can bless all of creation.
You’ve been out of sorts long enough.
Don’t be scared….I belong to you, as does the rest of life.
You’re safe with me, so don’t be scared.
Open to this immense love that is beckoning you through my body,
Darling, don’t you know? You have NO choice but to become yourself, absolutely no choice! And your presence is also infectious…Look at you!! Go look in the mirror and keep staring at your self until you melt into the vast exquisite ocean of YOURSELF. You are You always! Who else could you possibly be?
If I could teach you to stare into my eyes as you melt into yourself, without even touching me…..then baby you are always HOME. Love curves onto itself, blows your circuits and passes through the universe…it’s sumptuously always YOU playing YOU.
Let your floodgates of love open in me… so they can bless all of creation. You’ve been out of sorts long enough. Don’t be scared….I belong to you, as does the rest of life. You’re safe with me, so don’t be scared. Open to this immense love that is beckoning you through my body, It vibrates to your name in it’s wholeness. I love you darling. Relax…you’re home.
Dvorahji Final Guide For The Spiritually Challenged & Confusedif you want to have any peace at ALL,Really. The ONLY CHOICE you have regarding your past present & future is to say: IF IT COULD BE DIFFERENT-IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT! Everything else will leave you guessing as to what might have been, should be, and could be. Relax with all UR concerns and simple repeat this simple mantra when you’re in conflict about what you’ve said or done or happened. Relax with a new moment.April 25 at 10:40am · · · Promote
Love your books, your contribution and loved meeting you in Houston in 2008. The dance of life continues and I so do embrace what the divine presents for me to experience.
Seeing the future as being choiceless makes the lazy mind happy, and slip into the couch and doze off instead off get going…seeing the past and present as if it could be different it would be brings freedom to drive to a different place starting now…the future is full of possibilities, adventures which can be looked upon as problems or viceversa…. isnt it?
Great question!! AND………Well………. NO! Not from my perspective. The future may be open to all possibilities, but if you expect it to be OPEN “Your Way, the way you’d like that possibility to go” Then it’s going to leave you in MISERY. It is OPEN…but it’s open IT’S WAY. That’s why, from my perspective the statement “if it could be different-It would be different” as it relates to the future……INSURES ALL POSSIBILITIES GOING IT’S WAY and takes you out of the picture, so you don’t have to worry about the future, AS THE future takes cares of ITSELF.
It’s a mistake of the intellect to think “ONE has a lazy mind”. Actually it’s IMPOSSIBLE to have a lazy mind. Because the mind ALWAYS DOES IT’S JOG, doesn’t it? IT THINKS! And sometimes those thoughts bring action and exciting revelations, and sometimes those those just pass right through and bring nothing but more thoughts. BUT this lazy mind thing, is JUST ANOTHER MIND THING.
SOMETIMES YOU”RE DYNAMIC AND SOMETIMES YOU’RE NOT and it only APPEARS as if you’re lazy but actually YOU ARE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN AT ALL TIMES & SO IS “YOUR MIND”. Anyway that’s my opinion and it’s as good as yours, but mine makes more sense, isn’t it? hahahahahhahahahahahahhah HUGE MASSIVE IN THE BELLY ON THE FLOOR LAUGHTER!
My bumper sticker says: The lazier the better! Our problem is we just can’t let go of this “I am the doer bit”….especially in American where “I will, I can, I must” (and I’m going to do it MYSELF) exists so strongly. The question comes up: “how is it possible that I’m NOT the doer? Impossible”.
Even long time seekers are still going for the “law of attraction” professing: “Well if I can’t do it, there must be something wrong with my desiring, let me desire even stronger!”
Now everything is possible in consciousness, and desires are fulfilled and many times that fulfillment can coincide with the desire for that fulfillment…BUT THAT STILL DOESN’T MEAN YOU DID IT! You, are like an ant with an intellect. You do what you do, and NOW you can “THINK:” ABOUT IT every which way and then bother yourself about EVERYTHING, thinking all the time it’s YOUR FAULT, YOU DID IT!
WELL in the world of appearance you did do it!! and SO WHAT? SO YOU DID IT, SO YOU MADE A MISTAKE. SO YOU LOST YOUR HOUSE, cause you couldn’t get a job. So you lost your husband, cause you nagged. So your daughter’s on drugs, cause you “think” you didn’t pay enough attention. So your Guru doesn’t call your name or pay attention to you, because you “think” you’re too stupid and have too many negative thoughts!” SO FRICKIN WHAT?
IT HAPPENED, AND YOU can’t do anything about it except what you can at this moment and if you “could have done it differently you would have done it differently and you JUST DIDN’T!!!!. WHY? BECAUSE!!!!!! (UNDERLINED!)
NOW go through your traumas, go through the gyrations, bang your head against a wall and when IT’S OVER….SAY WITH FULL CONVICTION: “if it could have been different it would have been different!!! THEN move on to what YOU need to do next and WHALLLLLAH…YOU’RE IN PEACE AGAIN moving through the LiLa again and again…waving, and screaming and blissing at the next adventures that’s screwing you over……..
Birjoo………It’s a Crazy Magic show…..really crazy and really AWESOME MAGIC SHOW…now you see it, and now you don’t!
What’s unfortunate is that we have to suffer…I hate that part and I don’t care how we rationalize it! (like if there’s no suffering, there’s no joy) and beebleblahblahblahahahahahah……and yea you can observe & dig the misery, BUT WHO WANTS TO! But what choice do you have?????? Just move along and sing a song (miserable or otherwise) and blame it ALL on the: AAAAAAAAAA Applejuice your guru gave you!
Hm…Do we really have to suffer? misery is inevitable, suffering is optional-though it seems the only item in the menu sometime…just have to turn the menu around…
“Misery is inevitable, suffering is optional”…Is one of those new age sayin
gs/concepts, that’s gotten a lot of AIR PLAY in the spiritual community, and there is some truth to it, like there’s SOME opposite/truth to everything. But put it to the test and see what happens!
You break your leg…your mother gets deathly ill…A car accident, you can’t walk or even something simple like losing your wallet, your money, your toothbrush!! I could go on & on…It’s true that THIS AWARENESS, THIS NATURE THAT YOU ARE offers safety and can save the psychology of the person. Any kind of misery can put you in STOP/SPACE/HOME MODE. BUT for many of us the body and mind take over for awhile and causes misery, unhappiness, past, future, fears and on & on….
For me, Even suffering for a second, is one second in eternity TOOOOOO MUCHHHHHHH AND I DON’T LIKE IT! Sometimes Suffering brings Bliss. WhY? Because it’s the opposite side of the coin.
I’m telling you it’s a weird weird weird world and it’s an even Weirder MYSTERY…fighting it, wanting it to be different, fantasizing about your options will drive you crazy! Maharishi used to say: SEE THE JOB, DO THE JOB, STAY OUT OF THE MISERY!
However, from my point of view, if misery comes and you can’t stay out of it – move through it, and when it’s over, check out what’s next & of course celebrate that’s it’s OVER and the sun is shinning again!
@Harshall – and Yes I drove him CRAZY!!! IF you see him, don’t tell him you finally decided to be my FAN…it’ll just freak him OUT!
Suffering is nothing but the act of prolonging the misery instead of moving through it…and by the very intelligence that makes humans human also bestows the choice to cut it out. Those who don’t know suffering is optional simply don’t know yet that it is optional. And they will suffer regardless until they realise it is. Ignorance isn’t bliss in this case-although it does underline the need for those who do know it is optional to bring the awareness to those who may not. @ Dvorahji-I can imagine the extent of your misery ( or suffering 😛 ) if you don’t like even a moment of suffering…. which perhaps is as transient as this dark night-which is day on the yonder side of earth as you say-from suffering to blliss…
NOW Birjoo, we’re getting at the heart of the matter!!!! You said: “ That very intelligence that makes humans human also bestows the choice to cut it out” To the Dali Mama – that is the DELUSION. YOU DON’T HAVE ANY CHOICE. THAT IS THE DELUSION. Life is Choicelessness. LIFE IS A HAPPENING NOT A CHOICE. SUFFERING LET’S YOU GO!!! You do NOT let it (suffering go)..choice is the APPEARANCE of the LILA…You ONLY have the appearance of choice…and humans in their egotistical imagination can’t seem to let that one go!!! and that’s why they are still suffering!!! SUFFERING LETS YOU GO….NOT the other way around. Let me repeat the Buddha: “Deeds are done but there is no individual doer”
Suffering IS NOT OPTIONAL, PERIOD. (from my perspective). Suffering is what IT IS. A thought or feeling that lingers with fantasies and alternatives of past, present, & future miseries, until IT leaves you.
BUT IN OUR IGNORANCE we think “we left it”…typically as humans we “think” we are the center of the universe”. SURPRISE!@!!!~
True SEERS don’t bring you the knowledge that suffering is optional, they bring you the knowledge that suffering COMES & GOES AND you see it for what IT IS….A passing illusion of misery…a cloud passing through the mind….a NATURAL OCCURRENCE THAT WILL LET YOU GO, LIKE a gust of wind or a hurricane will LET YOU GO WHEN ‘IT’S” READY
SUFFERING is only OPTIONAL, when AWARENESS EVER PRESENT remains ever STEADFAST IN THE FACE OF SUFFERING, in the eye of the Hurricane…….I’m telling you again Birjoo, it’s a MAGIC TRICK, Unlike any other….Mind-blowing really! Humans stand on top of their rooftops shouting at the hurricane – thinking they can control it. Crazy really!
The very fiber of life is SUFFERING, from the moment you open your eyes in the morning – the thoughts/feelings which comprise your world begin bombarding you again with every sensation available……and off you go again into the THROES OF EXISTENCE AND EVERYTHING WITHIN IT. LIFE IS HAPPENING AGAIN & AGAIN……
AND….underlying all that activity, available at any moment IS the Space of Silence that Surrounds everything in PEACE – YOUR OPEN ENDED NATURE… _____________________ Choice is NOT an option, but a magical appearance, just like WE ARE…and as long as WE ARE walking around doing our thing – we will continue to “appear” to make choices as LIFE’s choices hide in the activity of the appearance.
This conversation is so awesome and juicy!! 🙂 🙂 We are alive no matter what. We do not hold on, neither do we let go. We
think we are holding on and we think we’re letting go – ‘Yogamaya’ as G pointed out during the Upanishads.
…correction… It’s not “we think we are holding on and we think we’re letting go” – “It APPEARS to us that we are holding on and that we’re letting go”. This is what I get from Dvorahji’s posts.
In the spirit of Achilles and Zeno-everything appears to appear…and yet one to whom it appears isnt an appearance…Choicelessness manifests as choice and viceversa…the difference between appearance and reality may only be an appearance!
The food that I eat changes how I think. If I eat the bad food I will start thinking negatively, bringing suffering onto myself, and the opposite is also true, with good food, good thoughts and bliss, based on my perception of my experiences. So I can decide what to eat and change my thinking processes if I want to. I have done this in the past! I may not be able to choose what food is available at any given time, but I can choose from the fortunately wide range of available foods and thus have some influence over my thinking and the way body and mind will work after eating and digestion happen!!! This has happened to me already.
It’s comforting to get relief for feeling bad about how things turn out– thinking that I have no choice helps a lot to purge regrets and questions about negative feelings left over from events in the past. And accepting things just the way they are brings happiness and joy since there was no other option– and then^^^ because of the needs of my body I have to go and eat lunch– there is a ton of chocolate and sugar I could have that would make me immediately pleasurable but suffer later mentally– and also there is whole wheat pasta salad with fresh vegies that will make my whole day and week more blissful!!!!!!!!!!!! putting some food in my mouth but not other food will bring me thoughts and feelings that are different than the other ones…
Geez Louise…..Unfortunately your food analogy really doesn’t hold up! Because if you had a choice of what to eat, why do you still eat junk sometimes, food that doesn’t serve you? Why don’t you always “choose” what’s good for you (not just food) ALL THE TIME?
AND THE ANSWER IS………BECAUSE !!!!!!!…..We put our little 2 cents in as to what we believe it is, we rationalize and think about and turn it upside for various reasons and then out of the CLEAR BLUE SOMETHING OR OTHER………ANOTHER REASON CREEPS UP, another side of the coin of why we didn’t do what!!!!……It’s really quite ridiculous, futile and it’s true for the moment you say it, because that’s the “brilliant” analysis that just went through your mind, but it’s an idea, a fleeing concept or a persistent one…nevertheless it’s as true as anything else.
THERE ARE CHOICES…..AND THEN…….there is just what IS. and that IS…is all that’s happening and choosing EVER, A flow of choosing and a flow of effects (that are not really effect)……AGAIN IT IS MIND BOGGLING……as soon as there is a “thought, a choice” baby you are moving in the waking DREAM and there’s isn’t an ounce
of truth to any of it, just like it a sleeping dream, only the waking dream last longer………….
BTW….I DO NOT KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS……I ONLY KNOW IT’S VERY VERY WEIRDLY AWESOME. CHOICE SEEMS TO TAKE PLACE AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE CERTAIN EFFECTS AND Nothing is being chosen.
sometimes I choose badly because I’m human and not perfect… and I received feedback when I was young that I am a person who makes bad choices, and sometimes I believe that!!!!
Sri Sri has said and I’m paraphrasing: “…Chocies are from bad to worse!”…….From my perspective what that means is: Every choice brings a slew of more choices. So you make the choice to go to what “you think” is the right job. And it’s perfect, until you’re co-worker makes a pass at you or is miserably negative or whatever, and then “your”choice doesn’t look so good, and then something else happens and on and on with CHOICE AFTER CHOICE AFTER CHOICE that looks good then bad and on and on….
ANY CHOICE you make continues to have MORRRRRRRRReeeeee choices. Every choice is a step, a movement in life. IT’S NOT “A CHOICE”, this somehow decision that makes or breaks anything.
It’s kinda like a “twitch or a twinkle” in life……Do you kinda get that in the “subtle sense”?…….RIGHT & WRONG choices are gauged by whether someone likes them or not or whether they seem to BENEFIT YOU IN THE MOMENT. THAT ALL. LIKE WHEN the wind blew your skirt UP or DOWN.
so someone told you you make bad choices, according to what would make “them” feel good. And you beleive the same thing. If it made you feel good at the moment, it’s a good choice. And if it didn’t make you feel good at that moment it’s a bad choice. Then if later it didn’t pan out, it’s a bad choice, and if it did pan out it’s a good choice.
AGAIN if you look at CHOICE in A broad common sense way, you can see how choice is a movement in life, just like any other, sneezing, eating, walking to the park, going to work, another energetic movement in MIND. It’s people’s intellect that drives them crazy about choices, especially in a crises.
This is the line that did it for me!! I was sitting and listening to Astavakra with my eyes closed as usual and I heard Sri Sri voice in tape say, ” When Will You Get it?” and a Big NOW flashed in my head and the concepts started to unravel…everything, and I mean everything was a concept. Nothing had any substance to it. It all vanished into thin air every time I perceived any long held ideas, spiritual principles, family, any ideas of attachment of thought or form…Everything and IMEAN EVERYTHING comes and goes. The only thing that doesn’t come and go is YOUR NATURE.
Now that doesn’t mean it’s not “real or unreal”…it just means it has no substance, it COMES & then it GOES. So that every moment of your life, thoughts, ideas, images, actions EVERYTHING that defines this life is a HAPPENING, thrown on the screen of SELF. It’s so seamless as to appear as if it were a continuous life of movement and importance, when in essence these images are just like a flip-book of images….each individual image appearing to move continuously in motion as your life’s happening. Very Unimaginably Crazy Cooool!
That’s why my Darlings, it’s time to have fun, relax with all this nonsense in your head and just flow with your life AS IS without all this guilt and remorse over your thoughts and actions…live your life FLIPPING THROUGH THE PAGES: Laughing, crying, screaming, loving, praying, yogaing, meditating, depressing, saddening, yagyaing, complaining, talking and generally causing trouble and fun all over the world and beyond!!
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(A CONVERSATION BETWEEN DVORAHJI & FRIENDS:)
DVORAHJI:
Darling ISHA, You have no idea what a silly word “enlightened” is ESPECIALLY when it’s referring to me…The word itself is so crazy, because it means that something happens to “someone” and then they are “really different” and can do different things and that its SO RIDICULOUS.
I feel like a fake when someone calls me enlightened, because it has nothing to do with me. Enlightenment is my NATURE, as it is YOURS. However my perceptions on how things work in the world and how I perceive the comings and goings of life, may be different. I May be more relaxed about my life and it’s outcome…but I am exactly like you…
This whole enlightened, guru thing and veda thing and mantra thing and spiritual thing, is another HAPPENING, another STORY in consciousness. It’s all a Happening/Story and YET – here we are…all doing the best we can to make our life the best that it can be and living the story….BUT there is ONLY THIS.”
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IVETTE:
Funny how many people wonder at some point “Am I enlightened?” “Did I make it?” Still… the enlightened just don’t bother with being there, they just enjoy being there, at that moment. And then, they continue to do everything just the same, every day…
DVORAHJI:
Those questions are just the mind talking trying to get a little respect, trying to reach some kind of goal, trying to make itself important, just doing what the mind does, which is thinking. A Happening of thoughts.
I used to think I was enlightened, and sometimes I still think I’m enlightened but SO WHAT? it changes nothing. It doesn’t make me enlightened and it doesn’t NOT make me enlightened…they are only THOUGHTS about my NATURE (that come and go). THEY ARE NOT MY NATURE. Enlightenment is my Nature (permanent) Peace is my Nature (permanent) Love is my Nature (Permanent), they don’t come & go. But thoughts ABOUT IT come & go.
My Nature, THIS- is all that’s ever happening. As a matter of fact – nothing is happening at all. THERE IS ONLY THIS. BUT it sure looks like everything’s happening doesn’t it???? and that’s the awesome mystery of it all…just astounding….now relax about your life cause everything’s Just perfect, unfortunately!!!!
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Marilyn Moyer:
that was your ah ha moment, no music or bands , etc. you just got it.
Dvorahji:
I can only speak for myself but “you get it, and then you get it again and again again until you get it’s a BIG I DONT KNOW!
It’s not like you “get anything! Because a golden carrot thought/feeling will crop up and off you go looking again, thinking you missed something, or need to know something or learn something or discover something in order to be free. People “get it” all the time, have experiences of “BEING, THEIR NATURE” all the time — and still they’re hopping from guru to guru, from satsang to satsang, course to course, wanting answers to their Nature. Hoping there will be an ending, an answer.
The hardest “concept” to get, is that everything is BEING moving and grooving and doing it’s thing all the time. Ongoing LIVENESS GOING ON AND AND ON and you are part of that ongoing LIVENESS.
All the Vedic & religious answers explanations, all the God stuff & Jesus stuff and Krishna stuff is very cool and all in this dream of LIVENESS and it’s all as real as your nose. Is your nose real? And there is no answer to that is there? It looks real doesn’t it? You breath with it don’t you? and YETTTTTTTTTTTTT it’s made of atoms and isn’t really solid at all is it? Just a bunch of ALIVENESS that has come together to make a nose, to make a head to make a Dvorah.
This life is made of WONDER, UNIMAGINABLE WONDER, and “getting it” is only the beginning of ONGOING WONDER!….doyougetit?
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Eduardo Torres
You know I don’t think I’ll ever get “it”. So I’ve stopped be preoccupied with “it” and I really don’t care anymore. Makes things much lighter don’t you know.
Dvorahji:
Well Eduardo, that means you “GOT IT”!….Now you can live you’re life and do what you do and know that you’re loved and completely taken care of…and that makes it really easy, donchathink?
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Vibha:
I wish I could get it!
Dvorahji:
@vibha…what you wish for is to be at peace with your life exactly as it shows up without always wondering if you said or did the right or wrong thing. Always wondering if you’ve made the right decision. OR what did you do to get yourself in a particular situation.
That’s really what keeps people in misery. So now I have a new mantra for you whenever you doubt your decisions or your life: Say it whenever you need it, ok?
“If my life could be different, It would be different! and since it’s not…I accept my life exactly as it is at this moment!”. OK, you got it now?…This is your new mantra. If you use it, then You’ll GET IT!…OK?
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B V Narasimha Rao
Thank you Dvorahji ,I wish to call you Mata Ananda, why because your way of explaining the spriritual concepts ,give us Bliss,only Bliss I am recieving (it is not the I usualLy thought of)
Dvorahji:
Dear BV…I think calling me Dvorah is good enough…I want my understanding to be experienced in a very “ordinary way”…very UN-special, free from extraordinary labels…I’m just a Dvorah and I’m as crazy as the next person, probably even rude-er. And if someone like me, with my eccentric personality could be at peace…SO CAN EVERYONE. But thank you, that’s sweet.
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Jerry Harvey
were you to be a sweetheart all the time there wouldn’t be any time left to be rude, bitchy ect! ❤❤
Dvorahji:
You’re right! and What fun would that be???? People don’t realize how much energy and movement there is in angry…It’s like eveyrthing else, it can be a good thing, e
specially if you’re lethargic or depressed, – a little anger & rudeness can get your blood moving again and off you go excersing and getting all worked up and happy again!………..Everythin
g, AND I MEAN EVERTHING HAS GOT IT’S UP & DOWN SIDES…
If you’ve ever had a lot of bliss happening to you….it’s a relief to just feel very very very ordinary and BLAH!
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B V Narasimha Rao
Devorahji:-Your simplicity and honesty is aasking us to call as devorah is great.God has blessed you with his grace and made you as his instrument to spread spritualisam to us.It is my desire only that i called you as “Anand Maa” nothing more than that and we will call you devorahji.Namasthe.
If you fall into despair go see your Guru and have some fun OR chocolate & a funny movie are always my second answer!
I think the ultimate truth is: I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING! Things appear to come & go and I know NOTHING. and you know, I really don’t know anything. I use a lot of words, I teach and describe ideas and concepts and repeat what most masters have said from my own experience or thoughts – and it certainly sounds like TRUTH…but if you ask me point blank: “What’s going On?” Let me tell you, I don’t have a clue!! All I know is everything is HAPPENING!.
I was thinking about death today, and all the BS that’s been written about it and all the answers I have from all the Gurus/teachers/psudo gurus/whoever- and all their so-called students plus all their experiences and again, if you ask me point blank, all I can say is: I DON’T KNOW, I HAVEN’T DIED. Yes I’ve had out of body experiences, (whatever that means) and yes I’m not the body (whatever that means) and so F-ing what???) I have not been completely parted from the body, I have not died and STAYED DEAD.
SO FRANkly, I’m sick of ultimate truths. Your best bet from my perspective is to live your life knowing fully that”: 1. LIFE IS A HAPPENING 2. THERE IS ONLY THIS 3. IF IT COULD BE DIFFERENT, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT 4. LOVE IS YOUR NATURE AND IT DOESN’T COME OR GO…it “seem”s to just BE.
My game is JUST LIVE UNTIL YOU DON’T! Most of what teachers teach is just their BRAIN WORKING doing it’s thing. Some people teach math, others teach “yoga” or “advaita” and there is no F-ing difference.
Somebody learns something or other, they feel better for awhile until they don’t and then they take another class and then they feel better again until they don’t and on and on. There are so many GURUS? OR people who’ve “gotten it” and they’re still miserable waiting for their life to get enlightened OR NOT…either way they KNOW NOTHING.
One teacher on facebook, told me he’s the ONE IN A MILLION WHO GOT IT (according to Ramana) and insulted me to boot!! Good for you, now SHUT UP and sit in your enlightened loin cloth! How does that help seekers? How will that help anyone feel better about their life and live without all these regrets and unhappiness?
NO ONE KNOWS THE ULTIMATE TRUTH, AT LEAST I DON’T….there is NO indication anywhere THAT THERE IS AN ULTIMATE TRUTH…NONE.
Live your life until you don’t, meanwhile SHUT UP (fall silent naturally) AND BE AS HAPPY AS YOU CAN!
” want my understanding to be experienced in a very “ordinary way”…very UN-special, free from extraordinary labels…I’m just a Dvorah and I’m as crazy as the next person” – Dvorahji
no wonder you work so well for me !! just …natural
In my unquenchable thirst for Knowledge, I decided to follow Sri Sri around for awhile. I wanted to become whatever he was. I went wherever he went, laughed whenever he laughed, sat wherever he sat, and just plain hung around him. Maybe, I just might get IT! (Whatever “it” was.)
I followed him to a retreat in Canada. It was beautiful, and about 200 people showed up. Some of the regulars had spent a lot of time with him. I decided to be one of the in-crowd and began to follow him around.
Wherever he ended up, I made it my business to be there. If he stuck his head out, even for an instant, I was there; smiling, making chit-chat and waving. When the evening meetings were held, I made sure I sat in the front row, so he would see me with all the others that longed to be just like him.
One day, as I was waiting for him to come out of his cottage, I felt an acute attack of boredom. Here I was, waiting to see one of the greatest sages I’d ever met, and I was just plain bored. “What am I doing?” I thought. “Haven’t I learned anything yet? My knowledge isn’t inside of Him. It’s inside of me. If I want to gain love, it’s going to have to come from inside of me, not from following around the ‘form’ of love.” I felt a voice say, “The kingdom of heaven is within you. Look there.”
I quickly ran back to my cabin and sat down to meditate. When I finished, I naturally went into silence. I’d talked quite a bit on this course. Now, it was time to listen.
When I went to the evening meeting, I moved my backrest to the back of the hall. “Let someone else enjoy sitting near him,” I thought. I didn’t need the proximity anymore. After all, it was all inside of me.
During the evening, people began to sing bhajans (devotional songs) and dance. I sat in silence, enjoying them quietly. As I looked around the room everyone seemed so unbearably beautiful, I could hardly breathe. A tender wave of compassion and love washed over me.
“Dear Lord,” I prayed, “I can’t stand the beauty and I can’t stand the pain. What am I going to do? It’s all so unendurable.” With that thought, tears of compassion, relieving my predicament, began to flow.
When I calmed down, I saw Sri Sri sitting in meditation. He looked so royal and elegant, I could barely endure his radiance. What good was he anyway? Just an image of the Divine. All my staring wasn’t going to rub off and bring me closer to God. I’d have to do it myself – and go inside.
After the meeting (it was more like a celebration), I felt empty. I didn’t know what to do. Usually I went back to his cottage, to see if he’d come out. Tonight it seemed foolish, so I went back to my cabin. After awhile, I realized I wasn’t tired and couldn’t fall asleep, so I decided to go for a walk in the direction of his cottage.
As I walked by, I saw a group of people sitting on a bench just outside his door. There was room for one more, so I sat down in silence. Someone noticed how quiet I was and asked incredulously, “Are you in silence?” I felt a little foolish since most of the time I can’t stop talking.
“Yes,” I nodded as they playfully continued to chide me. “Dvorah’s in silence.” They laughed. “This must be a special night.”
I closed my eyes and continued my silence. I felt very peaceful, not caring what happened. Suddenly the door opened. There was Sri Sri holding a box of sweets. “Prasad?” (a sweet offering), he asked. “Oh, yes,” everyone gleefully answered, “Yes.”
I opened my eyes just as he began putting sweets in everyone’s waiting hands. As he walked by, he would occasionally call people by name.
“Oh, my God,” I innocently thought. “He’s actually going to give me a sweet. How wonderful!”
I held my hands open, cupped near my forehead, and sat patiently. When he approached where I was sitting, he stopped. I heard someone on the sidelines jokingly say, “Dvorah’s in silence. She’s not talking today.”
His eyes opened in a feigned expression of surprise. “Really?” he asked curiously. “How amazing!”
I began to feel very light as he continued to stand there. I felt completely rested, waiting for my precious Prasad. Then, I heard the most endearing voice. It sounded like a bell praising my name, “D-vor-ah,” it lovingly sang. “A-dor-a-ble D-vor-ah.” I swooned in loving ecstasy, still conscious of his presence.
A piece of sweet halvah touched my palms, as I slowly slid from the bench, down on my knees. I instinctively lowered my head, touching his feet. The Divine had called my name.
****
Isn’t it amazing that when you stop searching, you have a chance to be found. The moral of this story is very simple. If you’re looking for God – Stop! Be still. Sit down on a bench, fully at rest, with open palms. Then listen. God will find you and, in adoration, praise your name.CALL ME ADORABLE
In my unquenchable thirst for Knowledge, I decided to follow Sri Sri around for awhile. I wanted to become whatever he was. I went wherever he went, laughed whenever he laughed, sat wherever he sat, and just plain hung around him. Maybe, I just might get IT! (Whatever “it” was.)
I followed him to a retreat in Canada. It was beautiful, and about 200 people showed up. Some of the regulars had spent a lot of time with him. I decided to be one of the in-crowd and began to follow him around.
Wherever he ended up, I made it my business to be there. If he stuck his head out, even for an instant, I was there; smiling, making chit-chat and waving. When the evening meetings were held, I made sure I sat in the front row, so he would see me with all the others that longed to be just like him.
One day, as I was waiting for him to come out of his cottage, I felt an acute attack of boredom. Here I was, waiting to see one of the greatest sages I’d ever met, and I was just plain bored. “What am I doing?” I thought. “Haven’t I learned anything yet? My knowledge isn’t inside of Him. It’s inside of me. If I want to gain love, it’s going to have to come from inside of me, not from following around the ‘form’ of love.” I felt a voice say, “The kingdom of heaven is within you. Look there.”
I quickly ran back to my cabin and sat down to meditate. When I finished, I naturally went into silence. I’d talked quite a bit on this course. Now, it was time to listen.
When I went to the evening meeting, I moved my backrest to the back of the hall. “Let someone else enjoy sitting near him,” I thought. I didn’t need the proximity anymore. After all, it was all inside of me.
During the evening, people began to sing bhajans (devotional songs) and dance. I sat in silence, enjoying them quietly. As I looked around the room everyone seemed so unbearably beautiful, I could hardly breathe. A tender wave of compassion and love washed over me.
“Dear Lord,” I prayed, “I can’t stand the beauty and I can’t stand the pain. What am I going to do? It’s all so unendurable.” With that thought, tears of compassion, relieving my predicament, began to flow.
When I calmed down, I saw Sri Sri sitting in meditation. He looked so royal and elegant, I could barely endure his radiance. What good was he anyway? Just an image of the Divine. All my staring wasn’t going to rub off and bring me closer to God. I’d have to do it myself – and go inside.
After the meeting (it was more like a celebration), I felt empty. I didn’t know what to do. Usually I went back to his cottage, to see if he’d come out. Tonight it seemed foolis
h, so I went back to my cabin. After awhile, I realized I wasn’t tired and couldn’t fall asleep, so I decided to go for a walk in the direction of his cottage.
As I walked by, I saw a group of people sitting on a bench just outside his door. There was room for one more, so I sat down in silence. Someone noticed how quiet I was and asked incredulously, “Are you in silence?” I felt a little foolish since most of the time I can’t stop talking.
“Yes,” I nodded as they playfully continued to chide me. “Dvorah’s in silence.” They laughed. “This must be a special night.”
I closed my eyes and continued my silence. I felt very peaceful, not caring what happened. Suddenly the door opened. There was Sri Sri holding a box of sweets. “Prasad?” (a sweet offering), he asked. “Oh, yes,” everyone gleefully answered, “Yes.”
I opened my eyes just as he began putting sweets in everyone’s waiting hands. As he walked by, he would occasionally call people by name.
“Oh, my God,” I innocently thought. “He’s actually going to give me a sweet. How wonderful!”
I held my hands open, cupped near my forehead, and sat patiently. When he approached where I was sitting, he stopped. I heard someone on the sidelines jokingly say, “Dvorah’s in silence. She’s not talking today.”
His eyes opened in a feigned expression of surprise. “Really?” he asked curiously. “How amazing!”
I began to feel very light as he continued to stand there. I felt completely rested, waiting for my precious Prasad. Then, I heard the most endearing voice. It sounded like a bell praising my name, “D-vor-ah,” it lovingly sang. “A-dor-a-ble D-vor-ah.” I swooned in loving ecstasy, still conscious of his presence.
A piece of sweet halvah touched my palms, as I slowly slid from the bench, down on my knees. I instinctively lowered my head, touching his feet. The Divine had called my name.
****
Isn’t it amazing that when you stop searching, you have a chance to be found. The moral of this story is very simple. If you’re looking for God – Stop! Be still. Sit down on a bench, fully at rest, with open palms. Then listen. God will find you and, in adoration, praise your name.
OMG!! as i m writing this comment i m falling short of words… rather no words can describe that feeling… had been through a similar experience sometime back in India… my name has entered the list of HIS lovers :)… there is nothing left to achieved or desired… JGD!
beautiful 🙂 blessed are we to have found the guru. (some looking some not even looking for a guru.). It happened. that can also happen only with grace.
aww.. So many unasked questions are answered…thanks..I had tears in my eyes… I kept wondering..what space should I be in when I take courses?…Be myself..thats the only way..only option..
@Meena…However you are at any moment is the perfect space ESPECIALLY for the Divine.
I was sitting at satsang in Canada in front of Sri Sri and this friend of mine was playing his weird drum stuff really loud as usual. I Threw a pillow at him to make him stop and he didn’t – so I went over and jumped on and told him to “Shut Up!”….now if that isn’t totally rude and obnoxious (especially in Satsang in front of the Guru), I don’t know what is, especially when everyone is trying to be on their best behavior
Now, I could have handled that better (I could have handcuffed his hands behind his back) – but there you have it. Things do happen and WHO CARES? You are who you are and you do what you do AND THE DIVINE DOESN’T CARE AT ALL and loves you FOREVER…
so I acted like an irritated idiot, SO WHAT?….I still loved the course, got to see Guruji more often then usual and went away happy! and by the way, so did my friend. IT ALL WORKED OUT.
Ps. WARNING: this is not an excuse for you to go and harass people at satsang.
Wow, Dvorahji. I sit in the airport in Las Vegas. My flight delayed for 7 hours. I would be in the air now if it had left with me. Now, I cry tears of gratefulness at this story. So, I sit. And I thank God for divine delays. Love to you.
Dvorahji Dvorah AdlerPeople always refer to their inner Guru for Guidance. Well I have a big surprise for U! IT’S ALL UR INNER GURU-Relax in life as it shows up!
hmm.. interesting !! a different perspective. interesting. paradigm shift in thinking here for me. But if i do a reality check, yes, i do look for inner and outer guidance too. Everywhere.
Tanbir…this is a really good point…Usually people don’t feel safe unless they’ve done their program, their meditation, their chanting whatever. They think it gives them an edge to their inner & outer guidance.
So I ask you: “What if you were always safe and being guided, whether you did your meditation or not? What if you were ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, AT THE RIGHT TIME, DOING THE RIGHT THING? WHAT IF YOU WERE ALWAYS BEING GUIDED? How would you feel then about your life?
People go through all kinds of rituals to insure their life goes THEIR WAY, GOES WELL THEIR WAY…and does it?
I’M not telling people not to do their spiritual practices, I’m just suggesting THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS BEING GUIDED, just like the ant, that does exactly what it’s supposed to do at all times.
Just consider this perspective and see how you feel…
gosh ! now this one is another one that really got me thinking. I must admit that i do feel safer after I have done my program, feel that I am clearer and have more clarity and more settled to receive and act on the guidance that i get or to do or say anything.
“You are always being guided.”
hmm.. nice, i know it, ..but separating it from my program, i need to digest that perspective and mull on it.
Obviously that doesnt mean that dont do your practice, as you said.
its like the sky…u can take birth under it…live under it…jump,dance,enjoy,get depressed or die…its still under the sky….u are never out of ur inner guru…. and ur inner guru is never out of you…..
why do you keep on looking for inner-outer, this-that, either-or …. ?? too many mind made limitations. one often doesn’t exclude the other !! Doing your meditation, your sadhana makes you (feel) clearer, stronger. Good. As a result you feel safer. Good. Keep on doing it. That’s the purpose ;). But, I would recommend, don’t LOOK too much forguidance. It’s usually not an explicit act this guidance. Someone (Guru, God, whosoever) appearing inside (or outside) and telling you what to do. These are usually romantic concepts. It’s much more spontaneous. So just relax. And the possible and necessary ‘answer’ for that moment will be there. 🙂
Dvorahji, some people are tired of this dream-world and they long to wake up..(hence the seeking). YES, sleep is also a part of the whole EXperience, dreaming or not-dreaming… Inner GURU is always awake, but are we… ? When we as we believe ourselves to be, are cluttered with various false identifications and ingrained imprints and conditionsthat got formed god-know-when… My mind understands what you are saying…. resting as awareness is all that there is to it… most people do not rest as their awareness (there is much ambition for Enlightenment.. etc.) and they fill up their buckets with borrowed knowledge… and torture themselves with sadhana etc. – until they don’t… Dropping knowledge is for me a big part of my Relaxation… : )
Hege, you know I love you…for once, just listen to what I’ve suggestion with no preconceived answers of how it works for you….just read what I’ve offered and let it drop. No questions, no answers, no thoughts about how it is for other people. Read the sutra and let it float into air. No comment. NO thought about it.
@Dvorahji – you get my heart 🙂 i love your previous/last comment. “No Comment, let it float into air”.
also… …”THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS BEING GUIDED, just like the ant, that does exactly what it’s supposed to do at all times.”…. (the entire comment) …See More
seekers don’t realize that all these SUTRAS are possibilities…there are no answers for them…there is NO opposites or opinions about them, there is no advice to give or explanations….A SUTRA is given. A POSSIBILITY is given…let it come back to you again again with it’s faint fragrance of freedom of wholeness….A SUTRA is not for discussion…it’s for appreciation and WONDER….
Dvorahji Dvorah Adler“What are you afraid of? A thought? A Feeling? Get up! & Just MOVE ON, change the scenery, look at a tree, change rooms, turn on the radio/tv & get out of your head!”…Dali Mama
Dali Mama dear, it’s really very simple isn’t it – why do I complicate things? At least I catch myself more quickly now and make the adjustment. Love you eternally. Always have and always will.
