slippery slope is the lazy mind tweaking this to apply it to the future…

Oh birjoo…my lazy mind is “betwixt & bewildered”….Care to elaborate on that statement…cause it needs a little tweaking for the rest of us…..

Love your books, your contribution and loved meeting you in Houston in 2008. The dance of life continues and I so do embrace what the divine presents for me to experience.

Seeing the future as being choiceless makes the lazy mind happy, and slip into the couch and doze off instead off get going…seeing the past and present as if it could be different it would be brings freedom to drive to a different place starting now…the future is full of possibilities, adventures which can be looked upon as problems or viceversa…. isnt it?

This really speaks to me Dvorahji and I thank you!

Great question!! AND………Well………. NO! Not from my perspective. The future may be open to all possibilities, but if you expect it to be OPEN “Your Way, the way you’d like that possibility to go” Then it’s going to leave you in MISERY. It is OPEN…but it’s open IT’S WAY. That’s why, from my perspective the statement “if it could be different-It would be different” as it relates to the future……INSURES ALL POSSIBILITIES GOING IT’S WAY and takes you out of the picture, so you don’t have to worry about the future, AS THE future takes cares of ITSELF.

It’s a mistake of the intellect to think “ONE has a lazy mind”. Actually it’s IMPOSSIBLE to have a lazy mind. Because the mind ALWAYS DOES IT’S JOG, doesn’t it? IT THINKS! And sometimes those thoughts bring action and exciting revelations, and sometimes those those just pass right through and bring nothing but more thoughts. BUT this lazy mind thing, is JUST ANOTHER MIND THING.

SOMETIMES YOU”RE DYNAMIC AND SOMETIMES YOU’RE NOT and it only APPEARS as if you’re lazy but actually YOU ARE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN AT ALL TIMES & SO IS “YOUR MIND”. Anyway that’s my opinion and it’s as good as yours, but mine makes more sense, isn’t it? hahahahahhahahahahahahhah HUGE MASSIVE IN THE BELLY ON THE FLOOR LAUGHTER!

@Scott…well finally someone with white hair that’s as good looking as Me……thanks Scott
& Linda & gorgeous Birjooo for playing
with me…

Justs like duty free goods now i can enjoy guilt free laziness…lol

We are simply gorgeous my dear…

My bumper sticker says: The lazier the better! Our problem is we just can’t let go of this “I am the doer bit”….especially in American where “I will, I can, I must” (and I’m going to do it MYSELF) exists so strongly. The question comes up: “how is it possible that I’m NOT the doer? Impossible”.

Even long time seekers are still going for the “law of attraction” professing: “Well if I can’t do it, there must be something wrong with my desiring, let me desire even stronger!”

Now everything is possible in consciousness, and desires are fulfilled and many times that fulfillment can coincide with the desire for that fulfillment…BUT THAT STILL DOESN’T MEAN YOU DID IT! You, are like an ant with an intellect. You do what you do, and NOW you can “THINK:” ABOUT IT every which way and then bother yourself about EVERYTHING, thinking all the time it’s YOUR FAULT, YOU DID IT!

WELL in the world of appearance you did do it!! and SO WHAT? SO YOU DID IT, SO YOU MADE A MISTAKE. SO YOU LOST YOUR HOUSE, cause you couldn’t get a job. So you lost your husband, cause you nagged. So your daughter’s on drugs, cause you “think” you didn’t pay enough attention. So your Guru doesn’t call your name or pay attention to you, because you “think” you’re too stupid and have too many negative thoughts!” SO FRICKIN WHAT?

IT HAPPENED, AND YOU can’t do anything about it except what you can at this moment and if you “could have done it differently you would have done it differently and you JUST DIDN’T!!!!. WHY? BECAUSE!!!!!! (UNDERLINED!)

NOW go through your traumas, go through the gyrations, bang your head against a wall and when IT’S OVER….SAY WITH FULL CONVICTION: “if it could have been different it would have been different!!! THEN move on to what YOU need to do next and WHALLLLLAH…YOU’RE IN PEACE AGAIN moving through the LiLa again and again…waving, and screaming and blissing at the next adventures that’s screwing you over……..

hilarious as usual. One of your last lines is awesome and important and worth rehashing…”THEN move on to what YOU need to do next and WHALLLLLAH”

“an ant with an intellect”…love that!

Birjoo………It’s a Crazy Magic show…..really crazy and really AWESOME MAGIC SHOW…now you see it, and now you don’t!

What’s unfortunate is that we have to suffer…I hate that part and I don’t care how we rationalize it! (like if there’s no suffering, there’s no joy) and beebleblahblahblahahahahahah……and yea you can observe & dig the misery, BUT WHO WANTS TO!
But what choice do you have?????? Just move along and sing a song (miserable or otherwise) and blame it ALL on the: AAAAAAAAAA Applejuice your guru gave you!

Hm…Do we really have to suffer?
misery is inevitable, suffering is optional-though it seems the only item in the menu sometime…just have to turn the menu around…

Birjoo: For those who don’t know that suffering optional, its not optional. Even for those who know its optional, sometimes it is not optional 🙂

“Misery is inevitable, suffering is optional”…Is one of those new age sayin
gs/concepts, that’s gotten a lot of AIR PLAY in the spiritual community, and there is some truth to it, like there’s SOME opposite/truth to everything. But put it to the test and see what happens!

You break your leg…your mother gets deathly ill…A car accident, you can’t walk or even something simple like losing your wallet, your money, your toothbrush!! I could go on & on…It’s true that THIS AWARENESS, THIS NATURE THAT YOU ARE offers safety and can save the psychology of the person. Any kind of misery can put you in STOP/SPACE/HOME MODE. BUT for many of us the body and mind take over for awhile and causes misery, unhappiness, past, future, fears and on & on….

For me, Even suffering for a second, is one second in eternity TOOOOOO MUCHHHHHHH AND I DON’T LIKE IT! Sometimes Suffering brings Bliss. WhY? Because it’s the opposite side of the coin.

I’m telling you it’s a weird weird weird world and it’s an even Weirder MYSTERY…fighting it, wanting it to be different, fantasizing about your options will drive you crazy! Maharishi used to say: SEE THE JOB, DO THE JOB, STAY OUT OF THE MISERY!

However, from my point of view, if misery comes and you can’t stay out of it – move through it, and when it’s over, check out what’s next & of course celebrate that’s it’s OVER and the sun is shinning again!

@Harshall – and Yes I drove him CRAZY!!! IF you see him, don’t tell him you finally decided to be my FAN…it’ll just freak him OUT!

Dvorahji ! Being your fan is not optional for anyone:-). I suspect you can even convince Guruji to become your fan!

Suffering is nothing but the act of prolonging the misery instead of moving through it…and by the very intelligence that makes humans human also bestows the choice to cut it out. Those who don’t know suffering is optional simply don’t know yet that it is optional. And they will suffer regardless until they realise it is. Ignorance isn’t bliss in this case-although it does underline the need for those who do know it is optional to bring the awareness to those who may not. @ Dvorahji-I can imagine the extent of your misery ( or suffering 😛 ) if you don’t like even a moment of suffering….
which perhaps is as transient as this dark night-which is day on the yonder side of earth as you say-from suffering to blliss…

De-light-full

NOW Birjoo, we’re getting at the heart of the matter!!!!
You said: “
That very intelligence that makes humans human also bestows the choice to cut it out”
To the Dali Mama – that is the DELUSION. YOU DON’T HAVE ANY CHOICE. THAT IS THE DELUSION. Life is Choicelessness. LIFE IS A HAPPENING NOT A CHOICE.

SUFFERING LET’S YOU GO!!! You do NOT let it (suffering go)..choice is the APPEARANCE of the LILA…You ONLY have the appearance of choice…and humans in their egotistical imagination can’t seem to let that one go!!! and that’s why they are still suffering!!!
SUFFERING LETS YOU GO….NOT the other way around. Let me repeat the Buddha: “Deeds are done but there is no individual doer”

Suffering IS NOT OPTIONAL, PERIOD. (from my perspective). Suffering is what IT IS. A thought or feeling that lingers with fantasies and alternatives of past, present, & future miseries, until IT leaves you.

BUT IN OUR IGNORANCE we think “we left it”…typically as humans we “think” we are the center of the universe”. SURPRISE!@!!!~

True SEERS don’t bring you the knowledge that suffering is optional, they bring you the knowledge that suffering COMES & GOES AND you see it for what IT IS….A passing illusion of misery…a cloud passing through the mind….a NATURAL OCCURRENCE THAT WILL LET YOU GO, LIKE a gust of wind or a hurricane will LET YOU GO WHEN ‘IT’S” READY

SUFFERING is only OPTIONAL, when AWARENESS EVER PRESENT remains ever STEADFAST IN THE FACE OF SUFFERING, in the eye of the Hurricane…….I’m telling you again Birjoo, it’s a MAGIC TRICK, Unlike any other….Mind-blowing really! Humans stand on top of their rooftops shouting at the hurricane – thinking they can control it. Crazy really!

The very fiber of life is SUFFERING, from the moment you open your eyes in the morning – the thoughts/feelings which comprise your world begin bombarding you again with every sensation available……and off you go again into the THROES OF EXISTENCE AND EVERYTHING WITHIN IT. LIFE IS HAPPENING AGAIN & AGAIN……

AND….underlying all that activity, available at any moment IS the Space of Silence that Surrounds everything in PEACE – YOUR OPEN ENDED NATURE…
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Choice is NOT an option, but a magical appearance, just like WE ARE…and as long as WE ARE walking around doing our thing – we will continue to “appear” to make choices as LIFE’s choices hide in the activity of the appearance.

who is more alive the one who lets go or holds on? maybe when one is more alive one can let go rather than waiting for the time to be let go?

This conversation is so awesome and juicy!! 🙂 🙂 We are alive no matter what. We do not hold on, neither do we let go. We
think we are holding on and we think we’re letting go – ‘Yogamaya’ as G pointed out during the Upanishads.

…correction… It’s not “we think we are holding on and we think we’re letting go” – “It APPEARS to us that we are holding on and that we’re letting go”. This is what I get from Dvorahji’s posts.

Niru you mean this is what you appear to get from Dvorahjis posts! 😉

@ Birjoo: 🙂 🙂 Yes, yes everything ‘appears’ 🙂 LOL! You got me.

In the spirit of Achilles and Zeno-everything appears to appear…and yet one to whom it appears isnt an appearance…Choicelessness manifests as choice and viceversa…the difference between appearance and reality may only be an appearance!

… and as of this moment …the word ‘appear’ does not seem to have a meaning anymore, ‘coz it does not exist! 😀 😀

The food that I eat changes how I think. If I eat the bad food I will start thinking negatively, bringing suffering onto myself, and the opposite is also true, with good food, good thoughts and bliss, based on my perception of my experiences. So I can decide what to eat and change my thinking processes if I want to. I have done this in the past! I may not be able to choose what food is available at any given time, but I can choose from the fortunately wide range of available foods and thus have some influence over my thinking and the way body and mind will work after eating and digestion happen!!! This has happened to me already.

Why has G given me so many choices to make if He doesn’t believe choices exist?

It’s comforting to get relief for feeling bad about how things turn out– thinking that I have no choice helps a lot to purge regrets and questions about negative feelings left over from events in the past. And accepting things just the way they are brings happiness and joy since there was no other option– and then^^^ because of the needs of my body I have to go and eat lunch– there is a ton of chocolate and sugar I could have that would make me immediately pleasurable but suffer later mentally– and also there is whole wheat pasta salad with fresh vegies that will make my whole day and week more blissful!!!!!!!!!!!! putting some food in my mouth but not other food will bring me thoughts and feelings that are different than the other ones…

Geez Louise…..Unfortunately your food analogy really doesn’t hold up! Because if you had a choice of what to eat, why do you still eat junk sometimes, food that doesn’t serve you? Why don’t you always “choose” what’s good for you (not just food) ALL THE TIME?

AND THE ANSWER IS………BECAUSE !!!!!!!…..We put our little 2 cents in as to what we believe it is, we rationalize and think about and turn it upside for various reasons and then out of the CLEAR BLUE SOMETHING OR OTHER………ANOTHER REASON CREEPS UP, another side of the coin of why we didn’t do what!!!!……It’s really quite ridiculous, futile and it’s true for the moment you say it, because that’s the “brilliant” analysis that just went through your mind, but it’s an idea, a fleeing concept or a persistent one…nevertheless it’s as true as anything else.

THERE ARE CHOICES…..AND THEN…….there is just what IS. and that IS…is all that’s happening and choosing EVER, A flow of choosing and a flow of effects (that are not really effect)……AGAIN IT IS MIND BOGGLING……as soon as there is a “thought, a choice” baby you are moving in the waking DREAM and there’s isn’t an ounce
of truth to any of it, just like it a sleeping dream, only the waking dream last longer………….

BTW….I DO NOT KNOW HOW IT ALL WORKS……I ONLY KNOW IT’S VERY VERY WEIRDLY AWESOME. CHOICE SEEMS TO TAKE PLACE AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE CERTAIN EFFECTS AND Nothing is being chosen. 

everything is really hollow and empty– it sounds like you’re focusing on that and dancing around that alot ♥

sometimes I choose badly because I’m human and not perfect… and I received feedback when I was young that I am a person who makes bad choices, and sometimes I believe that!!!!

Sri Sri has said and I’m paraphrasing: “…Chocies are from bad to worse!”…….From my perspective what that means is:
Every choice brings a slew of more choices. So you make the choice to go to what “you think” is the right job. And it’s perfect, until you’re co-worker makes a pass at you or is miserably negative or whatever, and then “your”choice doesn’t look so good, and then something else happens and on and on with CHOICE AFTER CHOICE AFTER CHOICE that looks good then bad and on and on….

ANY CHOICE you make continues to have MORRRRRRRRReeeeee choices. Every choice is a step, a movement in life. IT’S NOT “A CHOICE”, this somehow decision that makes or breaks anything.

It’s kinda like a “twitch or a twinkle” in life……Do you kinda get that in the “subtle sense”?…….RIGHT & WRONG choices are gauged by whether someone likes them or not or whether they seem to BENEFIT YOU IN THE MOMENT. THAT ALL. LIKE WHEN the wind blew your skirt UP or DOWN.

so someone told you you make bad choices, according to what would make “them” feel good. And you beleive the same thing. If it made you feel good at the moment, it’s a good choice. And if it didn’t make you feel good at that moment it’s a bad choice. Then if later it didn’t pan out, it’s a bad choice, and if it did pan out it’s a good choice.

AGAIN if you look at CHOICE in A broad common sense way, you can see how choice is a movement in life, just like any other, sneezing, eating, walking to the park, going to work, another energetic movement in MIND. It’s people’s intellect that drives them crazy about choices, especially in a crises.

I get that— it’s very nice…. so these energetic movements that you speak of… they exist, right?

Everything exists! or NOT!