It is difficult to forgive as long as we identify ourselves with a limited I. This limited sense of I, who we are not, seems to require protection for its survival.

You say a lot of insulting words but nöne of it really makes sense. . .what is so wrong with having a teacher/good example remind you of your ‘natures way’. Maybe one of the great Teachers should remind you of your manners. So that you may become like them. Yes, yes I know – your ego will find something ‘smart’ to say. . .

De-light-full

@barbara–we love dvorahji because she tells it like it is, not how it’s “supposed” to be.

I don’t understand why people ‘be-friend’ people if they’re going to be insulting themselves. There is such a thing as debating a topic without becoming a child, throwing insults. If you don’t like what they’re saying that much, take them off your friends list and you won’t have to read what they have to say. For someone so quick to point out others bad manners, your’s are not that much better.
With that being said, Dvorahji, I do somewhat agree with what Barbara is trying to say, although she’s not being very nice saying it. First of all, wouldn’t it be easier for someone to forgive someone since ‘Jesus said’, as you put it? And if forgiveness is our nature, wouldn’t that also make it easier to forgive someone? This is just my opinion, but in order to forgive someon, you have to accept that whatever they did was meant as a lesson to you, and for that you have to get to the point where you can thank them for the lesson and forgive them for the betrayal. And then you can move on. Until then, Just be. Don’t force the forgiveness… if you get there, you get there. No sense in stressing about it.

Hmmm – you are all rather defensive arn’t you?

if we were being defensive, we would’ve spoke to you the way you spoke to dvorahji. I wrote the words above with the intentions of stating my feelings and thoughts on this topic, not to try to change your mind or defend anyone. And if you had read all of my post, you would’ve noticed that I did agree with some of what you were trying to say, just…See More

Read your Teachers ‘status’ up date again and tell me that I did not Exactly mirror her thoughtless description of Jeshua. . .

. . .but I Forgive you. . .

Barbara, I’M happy for you and your concept of Jesus and NO I don’t fogive you! but I accept you, and because I accept you, forgiveness is a GIVEN.

Why should I forgive, Why ? That would mean that you did something wrong, wouldn’t it? Well, I just see you as doing your thing, talking your thing. To you LOVE is somehow UNDERSTANDABLE, DEBATABLE…and it just IS. AND FORGIVENESS, WELL IT IS A GIVEN. We are all FORGIVENSS and we are ALL forgiven. Forgiveness from you is nice, and I accept it, BUT it is not YOURS to give. IT JUST IS.

AS soon as I mention JESUS, someone freaks (and you don’t think I didn’t know that?) I LOVE JESUS as I love MY SELF. JESUS is my Nature…FORGIVENESS is my Nature

@Amber, yes forgiving someone becomes much much easier as you accept that “they know not what they do”…..And that what they do is a natural happening. You don’t blame them for it, but again there a
re natural consequences that balance things out.

From my perspective, learning lessons are a concept. We do apper to learn lessons (whether we remember those lessons or not is always a new happening!!!!! EVERYTHING IS PERFECT AS IT IS and every lesson really arises ANEW in consciousness (that doesn’t mean we don’t say thank you).

I’m not here to debate Jesus or manners. I’m NOT here to change the world ….I’m HERE to show by EXAMPLE…THAT LOVE IS MY NATURE…thoughtless or not, rude or not, loving or not, forgiving or not…LOVE IS MY NATURE. AND LOVE IS YOUR NATURE, do you get it?

You don’t have to be holy, you don’t HAVE to be nice, you don’t have to pious, you don’t have to forgive, you don’t have to have manners, you don’t have to beleive in Jesus or Buddha or Saints or sinners to BE IN THE GRACES, GOODWILL, AT PEACE IN THE SPACIOUS INFINITE, OPEN LOVING ARMS OF THE DIVINE. Do you get it?

LOVE, PEACE, ENLIGHTENMENT, THE DIVINE, FORGIVENESS, GRACE WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR NATURE. ALWAYS. So you can be at peace with yourselves. your personalities, your thoughts, feelings and actions that come and go. YOU CAN FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY BE HAPPY! and that’s why there is a Dvorahji at this time in this place…..I love you, Dvorahji…

(and I would say I started the new year off JUST RIGHT.

. . .all I said was – I forgive you xxx

And it was a perfect thing to say…look what it brought out! so thank you….

Dvorahji, you have such a unique way of looking at things… I love your outlook on everything, and it definitely gives people a new perspective.

I like this….I am doing forgiveness/acceptance at work all the time. I am dealing with people that I don’t like, but since we work together I’ve had (with the help of the other)a few jovial conversations with them that seemed like a connection was made. Then that likeness is possible toward this person. I can’t believe how loving and a relief that is.

(private message w/permission between Dvorahji &
Barbara Hood)

Dvorah Adler January 6 at 9:46am
You’re far too precious & beautiful a person to delete as a friend…but you don’t agree with many things that I say, your perspective is different, but it seems to me you’re very happy with your life & your thinking and that’s all I really care about…is that you’re happy…so why bother with my posts at all? sending love & good wishes, Dvorahji (& her big fat smart HUGEEEE Ego….)

Barbara Hood January 6 at 11:31am
Hey huni, I’m sure you don’t want everyone agreeing with you all the time. . .do you have any idea how many other souls we reached by our ‘opposing’ energies seeking truth. Many people read what we both wrote tonight, and they will have gained.. .

Dvorahji Dvorah Adler January 6 at 11:36am
Oh baby, you are wrong! I want everyone agreeing with me! but alas, that’s not possbile…but you’re right, what’s important is that everyone hears what they hear and grows in their own precious way…I’m sure Jesus is certainly having a good laugh…

Barbara Hood January 6 at 11:51am
There is a laughing Buddha too I believe 😉
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Everything is for the fun of the GAME…enjoy the Game…

P.S. I wasn’t playing. ;-)))

Awesome… the whole thing is… just… awesome. Surprising how things work out huh!? What a huge… coincidence! hahahaha The kind of coincidence, we all know don’t exist… gotta love these moments… XD

This exchange is just plain wonderful! I love when people don’t necesarily agree, yet come to conclusions of each other and others. The fact that you don’t agree and are still “right” is a reflexion of how much everything “here” is an ilusion and is shaped by what our “minds” and “egos” do.

Understanding our true nature and our experience here and now… that is why we are here. The rest is for fun 😀 Enjoy.

Thanks Dvorah…Barbara…and the rest.